Sunday 18 September 2016

Convent stuff

Poetry
Anyone recall poetry recitals. The particular class was Mrs Lyon's, it may have been a way to improve memory, but it consisted of simply remembering without any tips to improve recall. "The boy stood on the burning deck" is the only one that comes to mind... posts from here, photos & more St Josephs are linked on my blog armourae.blogspot.co.uj & there will be some Youtube videos coming too

House on Perry Street

 The cottage on Perry Street 1905

 I've uploaded some picture of Sidcup 1961 courtesy of chorltonhistory. This one is for anyone familiar with the road of Sidcup towards Bromley. If you turned right at St Mary's Grammar, you would have the stables on your right side & on the left would be this cottage still standing at the top of Perry Streeet. Many of the trees are still there but the road is a main road. Nevertheless Chislehurst has thankfully retained most of its rural charm. It's a pity more of the past wasn't retained in Sidcup 

Sidcup 1961 

Another 1961 pic courtesy of chorltonhistory. The greengrocers Ripley 7 Sons held out to the 1990s. That Boots italic sign has been long since replaced by a dull typography.

Biggest change is that this clearly the middle of the day & there is no traffic! Not like that as far back as I can remember


 
Another 1961 pic courtesy of chorltonhistory. The greengrocers Ripley 7 Sons held out to the 1990s. That Boots italic sign has been long since replaced by a dull typography.

Biggest change is that this clearly the middle of the day & there is no traffic! Not like that as far back as I can remember
 St George's Church

 
For those who caught the bus towards Orpington or went on to St Mary's, St George's church was the one on the road opposite the Black Horse pub. I've played the organ there a few times. The church smells of dust & is dark; not as inviting as St Lawrences



This question is on my blog armourae.bog.co.uk It's about the large detached red house that was about 50 yards down from St lawrence's going away from the High Street. I saw it being torn down on 1978. Anyone have any further info on it?




Sidcup 1961


Sidcup 1961

I was in touch with the Archdiocese here, the bishop's office in Rouen, the Sisters of Mercy & a very helpful nun in Rome. The Archdioscese has published new information of the Convent.Here are the details:

With the help of the mission priest at Chislehurst, the Sisters of Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception of Briouze opened a convent in Sidcup in 1901. On 2 October 1902 they opened a convent school at Hatherley Road.

A stable was converted into a chapel, where the first Mass was said on the feast of St Lawrence of Canterbury on 2 February 1902

I had believed the Order had died out. Instead it is still existing since 1820 and there are still nuns and schools here in Britain. I have contacted them for further information. The Order was founded in 1820 by the Abbé Pierre Bonaventure Noailles, Canon of Bordeaux.Orignianlly called Ladies of Loreto until divided into schooling,orphanage & hospital duties.


ST LAWRENCES
(for fellow architecture enthusiasts)
Architect was Edward Goldie. Designed on a cruciform plan, with side aisles of 1930. First building phase was 1904-06 under the auspices of the Verona Fathers.In 1911 they were so in debt they passed the church to the Marists.

The uppermost west window has a stained glass depiction of Christ with the Blessed Sacrament and the inscription ‘Charity’. Father Greytstone has a memorial: the confessional room, whose door has a stained glass panel with a blessing hand (in memory of Rev. Fr. Geoffrey Graystone S.M., 1922–2010).
You started discussion 10th Aug 2015 in St Joseph's Convent (Primary)
 
Stephen Armourae
Census 1911 Sister Marie has the following colourful description:
Marie Villette 27 Mistress Kent 1884 Resident, France
Marie Villette 1884 France Resident Bromley Foots Cray Kent

Another nun, this one I never met
Augustine Forget 39 Mistress Kent 1872 Resident, France

There is a census version which contains all the houses in Hatherley Road. It lists names instead of numbers and there were houses in the Italianate style,which have been repalced with a far less flamboyant Edwardian architecture
You replied 24th Sep 2015
 
Stephen Armourae
Convent: As everyone knows the Convent sadly closed in 1989. By that time the teaching nuns was reduced to just Sister Denise, so that positive influence had decreased; although I think Sister Antoinette couldn't teach maths!

The relationship that had existed since 1901 with St Lawrences and the Verona, then Marist Fathers continued with St Mary and St Joseph's secondary school; having changed from St Marys grammar school with the admission of girls.
But standards were falling fast there. It ceased to be a school & has undergone 2 changes of ownership, it's now a college controlled by the Archdiocese of Southwark.

What wasn't mentioned at St Joseph's is that we had a fraternal school: St Peter Chanel which was founded and run by the same Marist Fathers who were taking us for Mass and pastoral care in 1976. It is named after the martyr of the Marist's, a relic from the saint used to be ensconced under the statue of Mary on the right side.

So the influence of St Lawrences and teaching by nuns was continued after our nuns returned to France. I would have preferred more interaction with our neighbouring school
You replied 25th Sep 2015
 
Stephen Armourae
There is the Wikipedia page for the Convent at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Southwark#St_Joseph.27s_Convent_.28primary_school.2C_Sidcup.29

There is a Facebook group page for the Convent and my work on the documentary at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Southwark#St_Joseph.27s_Convent_.28primary_school.2C_Sidcup.29

It informs readers to come to this site for more information and contacts
You replied 28th Sep 2015
 
Stephen Armourae
You replied 28th Sep 2015
 
Barrie Wright
Stephen, you give a fascinating and detailed background to the school, thank you. Of course, when I attend (1959-1965) I knew nothing about the history of the school, just was grateful to my parents that I was part of it, despite the scary nuns! Oh, happy days.
Barrie Wright replied 22nd Dec 2015

















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